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TAG vs Royalblood (5727 views)

TAG

Royalblood

Kirej

aphesia

Lightning

med1xza

ScarZy

lettu

setup

Sexclick

ag0n

ivaN

walle

Kamz

CB EuroCup XXVI - Enemy Territory
Group A
2nd Matchweek

Match Details Statistics Analysis

23.10.12 22:30 CEST

Awards	awarded to	for
Lady Macbeth	TAG\|a e a	47 kills
Killing Spree	TAG\|lettu	7 frags without being killed
Accountant	TAG\|med1xza xDDDDDD	176% kills/killed ratio
He's dead, Jim!	TAG\|a e a	22 gibs
...and stay dead!	sEXXX'rb	47% gibs/kill
Lead Poisoning	TAG\|med1xza xDDDDDD	41 SMG kills
Spammity spam spam!	TAG\|Lightning :o)))))))))))	15 SPAM kills
Fragstealer	TAG\|med1xza xDDDDDD	156 damage per frag
Die! Damn you, Die!	ivAN'rb	363 damage per frag
What objective?	TAG\|Lightning :o)))))))))))	265 XP
Red Shirt	walle'rb	43 deaths
Are these pliers sharp?	kaMzZ'rb	14 deaths without fragging
Med Pack Whore	walle'rb	184 damage per death
Eyes Wide Shut	ag0n'rb	4 team kills
Gingerbread man	TAG\|a e a	16 /kills

Player Summary for the entire Match

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Name	Eff	XP	K	D	G	Sui	TK	/K	DG	DR	TD	Knf	P/R	SMG	SPM	D/K	D/Kd	KS	DS
ag0n'rb	41	145	18	43	5	1	4	10	4032	4076	556	0/0	5/1	5/29	12/3	224	93	2	9
kaMzZ'rb	33	125	14	42	4	0	1	4	4684	6731	37	0/0	0/0	15/33	0/4	335	160	3	14
walle'rb	86	224	37	43	3	0	0	3	7141	7946	130	0/0	2/2	34/32	1/9	193	185	3	7
setupj'rb	53	160	20	38	5	0	1	5	3706	6225	141	0/0	3/2	15/24	3/8	185	164	6	10
sEXXX'rb	44	170	17	39	8	0	1	3	3827	6997	161	0/0	0/1	16/31	2/4	225	179	2	8
ivAN'rb	32	101	12	38	1	0	1	4	3164	6646	143	0/0	1/2	12/26	0/7	264	175	2	6
'rb	48	925	118	243	26	1	8	29	26554	38621	1168	0/0	11/2	97/26	18/7	238	159	3	9
TAG\|kirej	74	228	26	35	5	0	0	12	5943	5048	108	0/0	1/2	24/21	0/3	229	144	5	4
TAG\|Lightning :o)))))))))))	97	265	31	32	13	0	1	11	6299	3280	89	0/0	4/4	13/16	15/2	203	103	3	4
TAG\|a e a	121	234	47	38	22	1	1	16	8233	3846	37	0/0	0/1	34/17	12/3	175	99	4	4
TAG\|med1xza xDDDDDD	176	264	44	25	13	0	0	9	6231	4545	54	0/0	0/3	41/14	3/0	142	182	5	3
TAG/ScarZeh	91	225	31	34	7	0	0	15	6599	5257	54	0/0	1/1	28/15	2/3	213	155	4	3
TAG\|lettu	136	247	34	25	5	0	3	7	5316	4578	201	0/0	2/0	35/14	0/4	156	183	7	3
TAG	112	1463	213	189	65	1	5	70	38621	26554	543	0/0	8/0	175/14	32/4	186	144	5	4

Player Summary for frostbite

[-] 1st Round (click columns to sort, the [+] to expand)
Name	Eff	XP	K	D	G	TK	/K	DG	DR	TD	Knf	P/R	SMG	SPM	Events
ag0n'rb	83	16	5	6	3	2	2	655	487	263	0/0	0/1	0/3	7/0	KK//TDKDKTKDD
kaMzZ'rb	33	16	2	6	1	1	1	887	868	37	0/0	0/0	3/4	0/1	DK/DDDKDT
walle'rb	133	42	8	6	1	0	0	1329	1114	18	0/0	0/0	7/3	1/4	KKDKDDDKKXKDKKD
setupj'rb	28	16	2	7	1	0	2	666	934	36	0/0	0/0	2/5	0/1	/KKDXDDDD/
sEXXX'rb	140	33	7	5	2	0	0	655	1011	18	0/0	0/0	6/6	1/0	KKDKKDKKDKDDX
ivAN'rb	40	12	2	5	1	0	1	418	671	22	0/0	0/0	2/3	0/1	D/KDDKD
'rb	76	135	26	35	9	3	6	4610	5085	394	0/0	0/1	20/24	9/7
TAG\|kirej	40	30	2	5	1	0	0	415	644	36	0/0	0/0	2/4	0/2	DDKDXDDK
TAG\|Lightning :o)))))))))))	125	32	5	4	3	0	0	601	540	0	0/0	1/0	0/2	4/2	DKDKDKDKK
TAG\|a e a	166	40	5	3	3	1	0	1303	735	17	0/0	0/0	5/2	1/1	DKDTKDKKK
TAG\|med1xza xDDDDDD	80	38	4	5	0	0	2	839	739	0	0/0	0/0	4/3	0/0	/KK/KKDDD
TAG/ScarZeh	62	23	5	8	0	0	1	918	1080	0	0/0	0/0	5/5	0/2	DKDDDKD/KKDKD
TAG\|lettu	160	42	8	5	2	0	1	1009	872	36	0/0	0/0	8/4	0/0	/KKDKKDKKDKKD
TAG	106	205	29	30	9	1	4	5085	4610	89	0/0	1/0	24/20	5/7

[-] 2nd Round (click columns to sort, the [+] to expand)
Name	Eff	XP	K	D	G	/K	DG	DR	TD	Knf	P/R	SMG	SPM	Events
ag0n'rb	50	38	3	6	0	1	614	673	34	0/0	1/0	0/4	2/1	/DKDKKDDD
kaMzZ'rb	42	14	3	7	0	2	646	1011	0	0/0	0/0	3/3	0/1	DKDK//DDDK
walle'rb	71	24	5	7	1	0	944	1183	18	0/0	1/0	4/6	0/1	DKDKKDKKDDDD
setupj'rb	42	21	3	7	2	0	579	1066	36	0/0	0/0	1/4	2/3	KDDKDDKDDD
sEXXX'rb	50	36	3	6	1	1	394	1041	68	0/0	0/0	2/4	1/1	DDDDK/KDK
ivAN'rb	11	12	1	9	0	1	718	1441	18	0/0	0/1	1/4	0/3	DDDDDK/DDD
'rb	44	145	18	42	4	5	3895	6415	174	0/0	2/1	11/25	5/10
TAG\|kirej	50	31	3	6	1	3	740	647	18	0/0	0/0	2/2	0/1	KDKDK//D/
TAG\|Lightning :o)))))))))))	75	22	6	8	4	5	918	550	23	0/0	0/1	0/2	6/0	/K/KDK/DK/D/KK
TAG\|a e a	275	50	11	4	6	1	1525	453	2	0/0	0/0	9/2	2/1	KKKKDKKDK/KKKKD
TAG\|med1xza xDDDDDD	200	45	8	4	2	1	1162	800	0	0/0	0/1	6/2	2/0	K/KKDDKKKDKK
TAG/ScarZeh	150	45	6	4	2	2	1329	605	18	0/0	0/0	6/1	0/1	KKDK/K/KKD
TAG\|lettu	60	39	3	5	0	1	741	840	36	0/0	1/0	2/2	0/2	D/KKDDKD
TAG	135	232	37	31	15	13	6415	3895	97	0/0	1/2	25/11	10/5

Player Summary for radar

[-] 1st Round (click columns to sort, the [+] to expand)
Name	Eff	XP	K	D	G	TK	/K	DG	DR	TD	Knf	P/R	SMG	SPM	Events
ag0n'rb	29	68	7	24	1	2	6	1950	2301	259	0/0	4/0	4/18	1/1	DDT/KXKDTK/K//DDD/DKDKDDKDDDDD/DDD
kaMzZ'rb	33	83	7	21	2	0	0	2640	3771	0	0/0	0/0	7/19	0/2	DKKDDKDDDDDDDDDDDDDKDKKDDDKD
walle'rb	76	110	19	25	1	0	2	4056	4663	94	0/0	1/2	18/20	0/3	DKDDKKDKDXKDKKDKKDKDKDKDKDDDDDDDKKX/KDKKDKD/DD
setupj'rb	36	92	7	19	2	1	3	1634	3276	69	0/0	2/2	5/11	1/3	DKXDDDD/DD/DKDDKDKKDTDDK/KDD
sEXXX'rb	13	77	3	22	3	1	1	1881	4044	75	0/0	0/1	4/17	0/2	DDKDTDD/DKDDDDDDDKDDDDDDDD
ivAN'rb	36	60	7	19	0	1	2	1369	3590	103	0/0	1/0	7/16	0/2	DDKDKTDDKXDDD/KKDKDDDD/DKDDD
'rb	37	490	50	130	9	5	14	13530	21645	600	0/0	8/5	45/101	2/13
TAG\|kirej	94	123	17	18	3	0	7	3847	3106	54	0/0	1/1	16/11	0/0	DKK/KKK/KX/KDKD/DDKKKKK/K/KKDDDK/DDD
TAG\|Lightning :o)))))))))))	125	173	15	12	2	0	2	3889	1655	15	0/0	1/3	10/8	4/0	K/DDDKKDDKKD/DKDKDKKKDKKXKKK
TAG\|a e a	100	102	24	24	8	0	14	4294	1952	18	0/0	0/1	16/9	6/0	/K/DD/KKKDK//K/KKDK/KK/KD/KK/DKKDD//DK/KDKKK/KKK
TAG\|med1xza xDDDDDD	192	134	25	13	10	0	5	3232	2445	54	0/0	0/1	25/7	0/0	K/KKDKDKKK/KKKKK/DKDDKKKKKDDKKDKK/KK/K
TAG/ScarZeh	106	127	16	15	3	0	9	3390	2598	36	0/0	1/1	13/5	2/0	KKKK/KDKD/DKKDK//KK//KDDK///KKK
TAG\|lettu	271	150	19	7	3	2	2	2993	1774	121	0/0	1/0	20/4	0/1	KDKDTKDKKD/KK/KKKKKDKKKKKKKT
TAG	148	809	116	89	29	2	39	21645	13530	298	0/0	4/7	100/44	12/1

[-] 2nd Round (click columns to sort, the [+] to expand)
Name	Eff	XP	K	D	G	Sui	TK	/K	DG	DR	TD	Knf	P/R	SMG	SPM	Events
ag0n'rb	42	23	3	7	1	1	0	1	813	615	0	0/0	0/0	1/4	2/1	SKDKDK/DDD
kaMzZ'rb	25	12	2	8	1	0	0	1	511	1081	0	0/0	0/0	2/7	0/0	DDDKDDK/DD
walle'rb	100	48	5	5	0	0	0	1	812	986	0	0/0	0/0	5/3	0/1	DKDKKK/KDD
setupj'rb	160	31	8	5	0	0	0	0	827	949	0	0/0	1/0	7/4	0/1	KDDDKKKKKKDKD
sEXXX'rb	66	24	4	6	2	0	0	1	897	901	0	0/0	0/0	4/4	0/1	DKDKDK/DKD
ivAN'rb	40	17	2	5	0	0	0	0	659	944	0	0/0	0/1	2/3	0/1	KDDDKDD
'rb	72	155	24	36	4	1	0	4	4519	5476	0	0/0	1/1	21/25	2/5
TAG\|kirej	66	44	4	6	0	0	0	2	941	651	0	0/0	0/1	4/4	0/0	/K/XDKDDKKD
TAG\|Lightning :o)))))))))))	62	38	5	8	4	0	1	4	891	535	51	0/0	2/0	3/4	1/0	KD//DKT/KDDKK/
TAG\|a e a	100	42	7	7	5	1	0	1	1111	706	0	0/0	0/0	4/4	3/1	KK/KDSKKDDDDKK
TAG\|med1xza xDDDDDD	233	47	7	3	1	0	0	1	998	561	0	0/0	0/1	6/2	1/0	/KKKDKDKXKK
TAG/ScarZeh	57	30	4	7	2	0	0	3	962	974	0	0/0	0/0	4/4	0/0	K//DKDDDKK/
TAG\|lettu	50	16	4	8	0	0	1	3	573	1092	8	0/0	0/0	5/4	0/1	D//KDKDDKDTK/
TAG	95	217	31	39	12	1	2	14	5476	4519	59	0/0	2/2	26/22	5/2

» View plaintext endround stats

radar
Round 1:

TEAM   Player          Kll Dth Sui TK Eff Gib    DG    DR   TD  Score
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Axis   TAG|Lightning :  15  12   2  0  55   2  3889  1655   15    173
Axis   TAG|lettu        19   7   2  2  73   3  2993  1774  121    150
Axis   TAG|med1xza xDD  25  13   5  0  65  10  3232  2445   54    134
Axis   TAG/ScarZeh      16  15   9  0  51   3  3390  2598   36    127
Axis   TAG|kirej        17  18   7  0  48   3  3847  3106   54    123
Axis   TAG|a  e  a      24  24  14  0  50   8  4294  1952   18    102
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Axis   Totals          116  89  39  2  56  29 21645 13530  298     29

TEAM   Player          Kll Dth Sui TK Eff Gib    DG    DR   TD  Score
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Allies walle'rb         19  25   2  0  43   1  4056  4663   94    110
Allies setupj'rb         7  19   3  1  26   2  1634  3276   69     92
Allies kaMzZ'rb          7  21   0  0  25   2  2640  3771    0     83
Allies sEXXX'rb          3  22   1  1  12   3  1881  4044   75     77
Allies ag0n'rb           7  24   6  2  22   1  1950  2301  259     68
Allies ivAN'rb           7  19   2  1  26   0  1369  3590  103     60
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Allies Totals           50 130  14  5  27   9 13530 21645  600      9

Round 2:

TEAM   Player          Kll Dth Sui TK Eff Gib    DG    DR   TD  Score
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Axis   walle'rb         24  30   3  0  44   1  4868  5649   94     48
Axis   setupj'rb        15  24   3  1  38   2  2461  4225   69     31
Axis   sEXXX'rb          7  28   2  1  20   5  2778  4945   75     24
Axis   ag0n'rb          10  31   8  2  24   2  2763  2916  259     23
Axis   ivAN'rb           9  24   2  1  27   0  2028  4534  103     17
Axis   kaMzZ'rb          9  29   1  0  23   3  3151  4852    0     12
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Axis   Totals           74 166  19  5  30  13 18049 27121  600     13

TEAM   Player          Kll Dth Sui TK Eff Gib    DG    DR   TD  Score
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Allies TAG|med1xza xDD  32  16   6  0  66  11  4230  3006   54     47
Allies TAG|kirej        21  24   9  0  46   3  4788  3757   54     44
Allies TAG|a  e  a      31  31  16  0  50  13  5405  2658   18     42
Allies TAG|Lightning :  20  20   6  1  50   6  4780  2190   66     38
Allies TAG/ScarZeh      20  22  12  0  47   5  4352  3572   36     30
Allies TAG|lettu        23  15   5  3  60   3  3566  2866  129     16
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Allies Totals          147 128  54  4  53  41 27121 18049  357     41

frostbite
Round 1:

TEAM   Player          Kll Dth Sui TK Eff Gib    DG    DR   TD  Score
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Axis   walle'rb          8   6   0  0  57   1  1329  1114   18     42
Axis   sEXXX'rb          7   5   0  0  58   2   655  1011   18     33
Axis   ag0n'rb           5   6   2  2  45   3   655   487  263     16
Axis   kaMzZ'rb          2   6   1  1  25   1   887   868   37     16
Axis   setupj'rb         2   7   2  0  22   1   666   934   36     16
Axis   ivAN'rb           2   5   1  0  28   1   418   671   22     12
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Axis   Totals           26  35   6  3  42   9  4610  5085  394      9

TEAM   Player          Kll Dth Sui TK Eff Gib    DG    DR   TD  Score
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Allies TAG|lettu         8   5   1  0  61   2  1009   872   36     42
Allies TAG|a  e  a       5   3   0  1  62   3  1303   735   17     40
Allies TAG|med1xza xDD   4   5   2  0  44   0   839   739    0     38
Allies TAG|Lightning :   5   4   0  0  55   3   601   540    0     32
Allies TAG|kirej         2   5   0  0  28   1   415   644   36     30
Allies TAG/ScarZeh       5   8   1  0  38   0   918  1080    0     23
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Allies Totals           29  30   4  1  49   9  5085  4610   89      9

Round 2:

TEAM   Player          Kll Dth Sui TK Eff Gib    DG    DR   TD  Score
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Axis   TAG|a  e  a      16   7   1  1  69   9  2828  1188   19     50
Axis   TAG|med1xza xDD  12   9   3  0  57   2  2001  1539    0     45
Axis   TAG/ScarZeh      11  12   3  0  47   2  2247  1685   18     45
Axis   TAG|lettu        11  10   2  0  52   2  1750  1712   72     39
Axis   TAG|kirej         5  11   3  0  31   2  1155  1291   54     31
Axis   TAG|Lightning :  11  12   5  0  47   7  1519  1090   23     22
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Axis   Totals           66  61  17  1  51  24 11500  8505  186     24

TEAM   Player          Kll Dth Sui TK Eff Gib    DG    DR   TD  Score
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Allies ag0n'rb           8  12   3  2  40   3  1269  1160  297     38
Allies sEXXX'rb         10  11   1  0  47   3  1049  2052   86     36
Allies walle'rb         13  13   0  0  50   2  2273  2297   36     24
Allies setupj'rb         5  14   2  0  26   3  1245  2000   72     21
Allies kaMzZ'rb          5  13   3  1  27   1  1533  1879   37     14
Allies ivAN'rb           3  14   2  0  17   1  1136  2112   40     12
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Allies Totals           44  77  11  3  36  13  8505 11500  568     13

Player Chats
ag0n'rb [Warmup]:	terrible lessons.. bored to dead
TAG/ScarZeh [Warmup]:	:D
TAG/ScarZeh [Warmup]:	:D
TAG/ScarZeh [Warmup]:	:D
TAG/ScarZeh [Warmup]:	:D
TAG/ScarZeh [Warmup]:	:D
TAG/ScarZeh [Warmup]:	:D
setupj'rb [Warmup]:	scarzeh u so cute
ag0n'rb [Warmup]:	u have no idea
setupj'rb [Warmup]:	saw a pic of u
TAG/ScarZeh [Warmup]:	10/10 amirite?
TAG/ScarZeh [Warmup]:	aphesia wants a piece
TAG/ScarZeh [Warmup]:	kamz too
kaMzZ'rb [Warmup]:	15 min gone
kaMzZ'rb [Warmup]:	forfeit?
ag0n'rb [Warmup]:	light
TAG/ScarZeh [Warmup]:	:D
TAG/ScarZeh [Warmup]:	he's wc i think
ag0n'rb [Warmup]:	:D
TAG/ScarZeh [Warmup]:	heard the new fv+g track ag0n?
TAG/ScarZeh [Countdown]:	shouts to skk! and mez
ag0n'rb [Countdown]:	no
TAG/ScarZeh [Countdown]:	ill throw you a link later
setupj'rb [Countdown]:	doopi:P
TAG/ScarZeh [Countdown]:	xx
ag0n'rb [Countdown]:	thx
TAG/ScarZeh [Countdown]:	hf gents
[9:16]:	Storage Wall destroyed!
[9:07]:	The Main Door has been breached!
[9:05]:	Allied Command Post constructed. Charge speed increased!
[8:22]:	The Service Door has been breached!
TAG/ScarZeh [6:57]:	:D
TAG/ScarZeh [6:57]:	:D
TAG/ScarZeh [6:57]:	:D
TAG/ScarZeh [6:56]:	:D
TAG/ScarZeh [6:56]:	:D
TAG/ScarZeh [6:56]:	:D
TAG/ScarZeh [6:56]:	:D
[6:33]:	The Allies have transmitted the Supply Documents!
[Intermission]:	>>> Clock set to: 3:27
ag0n'rb [Warmup]:	WTF
TAG/ScarZeh [Countdown]:	:D
TAG/ScarZeh [Countdown]:	:D
TAG/ScarZeh [Countdown]:	:D
TAG/ScarZeh [Countdown]:	:D
TAG/ScarZeh [Countdown]:	:D
TAG/ScarZeh [Countdown]:	:D
ag0n'rb [Countdown]:	:DDDDDDDDd
TAG/ScarZeh [Countdown]:	:D
[2:37]:	The Main Door has been breached!
[1:11]:	Allied Command Post constructed. Charge speed increased!
TAG/ScarZeh [0:49]:	:D
[0:31]:	The Service Door has been breached!
[Intermission]:	>>> Objective NOT reached in time (3:27)
ag0n'rb [Warmup]:	scarzy counting on u to screw the game and let us win this map
ag0n'rb [Warmup]:	o/
TAG/ScarZeh [Warmup]:	sure man
kaMzZ'rb [Warmup]:	as usual
setupj'rb [Warmup]:	SCARz ready
TAG/ScarZeh [Warmup]:	anything to prevent aphesia from watching walking dead
ag0n'rb [Countdown]:	:D
ag0n'rb [Countdown]:	aea... the old man died
ag0n'rb [Countdown]:	muaha spoilerrrr
TAG/ScarZeh [Countdown]:	and carl got raped
TAG\|a e a [11:57]:	seen that episode already
TAG/ScarZeh [11:57]:	by the inmates
TAG\|lettu [11:51]:	poor carl
[11:12]:	Axis Command Post constructed. Charge speed increased!
TAG/ScarZeh [10:26]:	:DD:D:D
[10:10]:	Allies have breached the Main Entrance and secured the Forward Bunker!
[8:46]:	Allies have breached the Side Entrance!
[7:48]:	Allied team has destroyed the Axis Command Post!
[7:43]:	Allied Command Post constructed. Charge speed increased!
[6:16]:	Allies have secured the East Radar Parts!
sEXXX'rb [0:50]:	WTF
ag0n'rb [0:03]:	gg
TAG\|Lightning :o))))))))))) [Intermission]:	gg
[Intermission]:	>>> Clock set to: 12:00
setupj'rb [Warmup]:	rup scarzy
TAG/ScarZeh [Countdown]:	mobile!
setupj'rb [Countdown]:	:D
TAG/ScarZeh [Countdown]:	NMG
TAG/ScarZeh [Countdown]:	MG
[11:40]:	Allies capture the Forward Bunker!
[11:37]:	Axis Command Post constructed. Charge speed increased!
[10:58]:	Allies have breached the Side Entrance!
[10:51]:	Allies have breached the Main Entrance and secured the Forward Bunker!
[10:17]:	Allied team has destroyed the Axis Command Post!
[10:09]:	Allied Command Post constructed. Charge speed increased!
[8:34]:	Allies have secured the West Radar Parts!
ag0n'rb [8:19]:	take your time bros
[8:07]:	Allies have secured the East Radar Parts!
[Intermission]:	>>> Objective reached at 3:52 (original: 12:00)
[Intermission]:	kaMzZ'rb disconnected
TAG/ScarZeh [Intermission]:	gg
[Intermission]:	setupj'rb disconnected
TAG/ScarZeh [Intermission]:	tried ag0n
[Intermission]:	walle'rb disconnected
[Intermission]:	sEXXX'rb disconnected
TAG\|Lightning :o))))))))))) [Intermission]:	gg
[Intermission]:	TAG\|a e a disconnected
[Intermission]:	TAG\|lettu disconnected
ag0n'rb [Intermission]:	XD
[Intermission]:	ivAN'rb disconnected
ag0n'rb [Intermission]:	thx anyway

These stats are experimental and while we usually get very accurate numbers we can't guarantee they are 100% spot on. You can however view the endroundstats: Those are the endroundstats 1:1 how they were spammed on the server console, they are guaranteed to be correct (unless they're off, which sometimes happens too :p).
Some examples that will definitely break stats:

Server crash / restart
Players reconnecting with new ids
Too many random renames between rounds

Credits to the author of StatWhore of which we borrowed the awards and the general layout of the stats.
Thanks to Hannes who made the software that extracts all the stats from tv demos available to us.

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