tryout vs Inactive.et (3772 views)

pl Arturinho
no Sinnsyk
pl Tokar
pl Zgred
pl Vanitas
pl Adam
lv sfinn
be yAnnickk
gb Josh
gb Mayday
nl Freddy
nl Woot
25.03.12 21:00 CEST
Awards awarded to for
Lady Macbeth inacti yAnnickk 125 kills
Killing Spree TryOut.Tkr 10 frags without being killed
Accountant TryOut.Tkr 112% kills/killed ratio
He's dead, Jim! Josh.iAc 35 gibs
...and stay dead! Josh.iAc 51% gibs/kill
Lead Poisoning TryOut.Tkr 97 SMG kills
Spammity spam spam! TryOut.4rturinh 43 SPAM kills
Fragstealer inacti yAnnickk 140 damage per frag
Die! Damn you, Die! sfinnn.iAc OI OI 209 damage per frag
What objective? inacti yAnnickk 580 XP
Red Shirt inacti yAnnickk 121 deaths
Are these pliers sharp? TryOut.Sinnsyk@newmouse 10 deaths without fragging
Med Pack Whore Tryout.AdaM 162 damage per death
Eyes Wide Shut mAydayzz.iAc 8 team kills
Gingerbread man TryOut.Zgred 32 /kills
Player Summary for the entire Match
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NameEffXPKDGSuiTK/KDGDRTDKnfP/RSMGSPMD/KD/KdKSDS
Freddy.iAc91491869426112413301121815181/011/570/505/2015512856
Josh.iAc76432688935152311527942211320/021/928/5226/1417010547
Woott.iAc69437669513062610453125785460/02/457/5212/1515813249
inacti yAnnickk10058012512130442317464127624880/02/983/7324/1814010266
mAydayzz.iAc764497092100822128011377510460/04/766/568/1018315059
sfinnn.iAc OI OI75550699117161711415133894090/07/760/528/1716514656
Ac822939484582131730135769617410741391/047/7364/5283/1716212757
Tryout.AdaM73516729810061413548159875170/05/969/624/1018816368
TryOut.Sinnsyk@newmouse523935810923321311012112733310/01/743/6612/17190101310
TryOut.Zgred413383995604327412119443210/04/536/483/1219012638
TryOut.4rturinh613636911122222011123119528940/014/912/6643/1616110639
tR0ut.boski104481989426051315131117184430/08/776/6418/1115412576
TryOut.Tkr1115441119916141916807145512680/18/997/5610/13151146106
ut.732635447606103623111750337742527740/140/9333/5690/1317212858
Player Summary for bremen_b3
[-] 1st Round (click columns to sort, the [+] to expand)
NameEffXPKDGSuiTK/KDGDRTDKnfP/RSMGSPMEvents
Freddy.iAc831202530600942743346761/01/220/163/5/KK/DKK/DKDDKKKDDKKXKDDKK/KKDD/KX/DKDDD/KKDK/K/DDDKDKDKKD
Josh.iAc10011125259039365024856310/08/113/137/2DD/KKKKD/D//K/KK/KKKDKDTK/DKKDKDKDKKDK/T/DTKKKDKKDDKD
Woott.iAc10014920203018272131191600/01/119/81/4/KD/DKKD/DKKKKDK//KD/K/KKDDKKKXTKKDDK/DKKD
inacti yAnnickk114149393413128476728741710/01/129/198/6KKKKKK/K/KKXDDKK/KKDKDDDKDDKKKSDK/KD/KDDTK/KDKK/KKKKDKKK/KDKDKDKDDKDTKDDDKDD
mAydayzz.iAc40105123010010340640591840/00/212/130/7/K/DD/DD/DDKDDKDDK/KDK/DD/K/DKDXXDDK/DKK/DKD
sfinnn.iAc OI OI7714517223024292336661580/00/318/141/3K/KDDT/DDDKKKDK/KKDKDXDK/TKDDKKDDDKKDXKDDDK
Ac86779138161351848217411954913801/011/10111/8320/27
Tryout.AdaM5612514251033306242131230/01/115/191/2D/KTDDKDTKDDKKDKDDDDD/DDKDDDK/KDKDKDKDKDTK
TryOut.Sinnsyk@newmouse51921631901327383168200/00/314/183/6DKDKDDD/DDKKDKDDKDDDTKDDKDDDDKDDKDDDDDK/KDKK/KDK
TryOut.Zgred368111301001021153747180/01/110/190/2/DDDKK/D//K/DDDDD/DK/DKKD/K/DDXKDDDXK/DDDKKX
TryOut.4rturinh649720319005318130373110/03/30/2017/4KDDDK/DKDK/DDKDKD/KDK/KDKDXDKDKDKD/DDDKKKDKKDKDDKDDD
tR0ut.boski8110622276027359831101770/02/221/181/1DDDDKDKXDKKKDKK/XK/DKDKDKKKDK/KDDDDKKKDKDK/TT/D/K/DKD
TryOut.Tkr1001362929501748554466440/12/024/184/4DDKDKK//KKKDK/DDKDKDDDDKK/DKDKKDDK/KKDDKKTDKDXKKDK/KDKK/KKKD
ut.6563711217331073519549217416930/19/1084/11226/19

[-] 2nd Round (click columns to sort, the [+] to expand)
NameEffXPKDGSuiTK/KDGDRTDKnfP/RSMGSPMEvents
Freddy.iAc58481017500515582633900/01/09/60/7KDKKXK/DKDDDDKDD//DDKK/KK/DD
Josh.iAc7610210131111211861608120/01/110/70/3DDDKKDDDTKKX/KDKDKDK/KKSD
Woott.iAc726913184013197423691260/01/111/152/1KDKKT/KDDKDKDDDXDDDDDKKD/D/KDKKKXK
inacti yAnnickk72791622401221852498660/00/113/144/5KK/DDDDDKDDKKDDDDDKDKKKDKDDKDKK/DDKTDKK
mAydayzz.iAc113751715200324672600540/02/215/90/1DK/KDDD/DKKDKKDKDKDKDKKKDK/KDKKK
sfinnn.iAc OI OI73721419211425962658270/03/111/81/5K/DKK/DKDDDKKDDDDTDK/DKDKKK/KKDKDS
Ac774458010428241911966143663750/08/669/597/22
Tryout.AdaM1261151915102230522558870/03/318/90/2KKDKK/KDKDDKKKTKXKDKDKK/KKDKDTDKDKDDD
TryOut.Sinnsyk@newmouse52721121800222111963180/00/18/183/1D/KDKDDK/XKDDKKKDDKKDDDDKDDDDDDDK
TryOut.Zgred26334152025135615941150/00/05/81/2T/D/KK/KD/TDKDDDD/DDD
TryOut.4rturinh7674131730032170201800/02/32/129/1DK/KDKKD/DDKDKKXDDDKKDDXDKKDDKK/
tR0ut.boski1579622147011266616091280/01/114/118/1DDKDDKKK/KKKTKDKKKKKKKDDKKKKDKDDKDKDD
TryOut.Tkr931011415210329112224180/01/112/111/0XDD/DSKDKKKDDKKKKKDK/KK/KDDKDD
ut.88491839723151614366119663660/07/959/6922/7
Player Summary for radar
[-] 1st Round (click columns to sort, the [+] to expand)
NameEffXPKDGSuiTK/KDGDRTDKnfP/RSMGSPMEvents
Freddy.iAc57908143002146220241980/01/17/80/4DKKKDXKDDDK/KDDDDKD/KDD
Josh.iAc3718381000639111500/04/32/102/3KXDDDDDKDKKKXDDDDDDKDDKDK
Woott.iAc23374170026100920442300/00/05/81/2D/DTDKDDTD/DDK/DDK/K/D/
inacti yAnnickk54581222100215582726180/01/311/120/5KDDDKDDKDDDKDDDDKKDKKDDDDD/K/DKKDK
mAydayzz.iAc70771217101420592405740/01/211/121/0TDDKKDDKKDKXKD/KKDDDDKDD/KD/KK/
sfinnn.iAc OI OI38657182014142623471060/02/26/80/2DDKDKKDDTD//DK/DDDKDD/KDDK
Ac473454696804188153126616260/09/1142/584/16
Tryout.AdaM7810411142015217320061890/00/010/92/0DKD/DDKKKDKKKDTK/K/K/DKD/D
TryOut.Sinnsyk@newmouse80628103104180186700/01/14/61/0/KKKXKD//DKDKKXDK/DS
TryOut.Zgred6975913101616561386440/01/29/50/1/DDDTKXKKDD/K/KKDK//K/KD
TryOut.4rturinh887215174125244316392120/03/13/99/2/DSKKKKXDTDKDDKDK/K/KKDKK/TDKDDKK/D
tR0ut.boski172811911300123661118180/03/113/103/1KKKKDKKKKKKXDKKKKDDKKDXDKDKDKD/D
TryOut.Tkr20911723113022314816011160/03/421/51/0DKTK/KDTKDKKKDKKD/KKDKKKKKKKKKDKKKDD
ut.11651185761626231358786175790/011/960/4416/4

[-] 2nd Round (click columns to sort, the [+] to expand)
NameEffXPKDGSuiTK/KDGDRTDKnfP/RSMGSPMEvents
Freddy.iAc145901611200320851063340/00/116/70/1/KKD/KKKKDKKXKKKKDDKKDDK/KDD
Josh.iAc50486124003160812221650/00/21/53/2DDDKKK/KDDKD/DKDD/
Woott.iAc8657131530022245155400/00/26/87/3DKDDDKKDKKDDDKKKDKKDK/DK/KDD
inacti yAnnickk1761022313310439421279180/00/013/70/0KDDKKKKKK/DKKKDKKKKDK/KK/KKSKKDDK/KD
mAydayzz.iAc555559001212391528420/00/06/70/0/DDKDKKTDDK/DKD
sfinnn.iAc OI OI11211498100113971135180/00/18/51/1DDKKKDDKKKKDK/KDD
Ac10446672681311151251677812770/00/650/3911/7
Tryout.AdaM575581410001272248300/00/08/90/2KKDKKDDDDDKDDDDKKDDDDK
TryOut.Sinnsyk@newmouse696491301021686169200/00/08/61/2KD/DKDKDKDDKDDSKDK/KDK
TryOut.Zgred214331410075631675410/01/02/50/1K//D/D/K//DDDD/DK
TryOut.4rturinh683711161001130222621180/05/03/133/2KKKKD/DDDDKKXDDDDKDDDKDDKDKK
tR0ut.boski62431016301213372295130/00/09/101/1KD/DD/KKTDDKDDDDDDKKKDDKKDK
TryOut.Tkr7849111430021621210900/00/09/72/3KDDKKDKDDKDDDD/KKKKDKDK/D
ut.592915287911147781125161720/06/039/507/11
Player Summary for sw_goldrush_te
[-] 1st Round (click columns to sort, the [+] to expand)
NameEffXPKDGSuiTK/KDGDRTDKnfP/RSMGSPMEvents
Freddy.iAc10071141461021935214700/03/19/92/1DKKDKDKKDDKK/KDDDKKDKKKDKSD/
Josh.iAc708012178013209115841890/05/00/148/0DKD/TD/DDD/XKKKKDDKDKDKDDDKDKKK
Woott.iAc42676140001907220900/00/04/91/3DD/KDDKDKKDDDDDDKDKD
inacti yAnnickk82691417200217412169180/00/38/134/1DDDKKKDKKXDK/KKDKD/DXDKDDKDKDDDKK
mAydayzz.iAc76481013302016492294670/01/111/110/1DDDKKDTDTDDDDKKDKKKDDKDKK
sfinnn.iAc OI OI1848316201113392153200/00/04/140/2DXDDDDKDDDDDKDT/DDKDD
Ac653835991211499662125562940/09/536/7015/8
Tryout.AdaM1147316142004264921171000/01/314/61/0KK/K/KDKK/DDKDKD/KKKKKKDDKDKDD
TryOut.Sinnsyk@newmouse60369153101152014271440/00/05/82/4/KKKDSKDDDDDKDDKDKDDKDKD
TryOut.Zgred7051710001396613251030/01/07/30/4K//KKK/DDKDKDTKDDD
TryOut.4rturinh46406132004149115222480/01/14/51/3/DKDD//K/KDKKDDDKDD
tR0ut.boski16311318116010312117051070/01/215/83/2KDTKKKDKKDKKKDDKKKXKDDXDKKKKDKDD
TryOut.Tkr192912513301428091566900/01/324/51/2KKKX/KDKDKKK/KKKDD/KKDTKKKDKKK/KKDKKDKKD
ut.10840481761613161255696627920/05/969/358/15

[-] 2nd Round (click columns to sort, the [+] to expand)
NameEffXPKDGSuiTK/KDGDRTDKnfP/RSMGSPMEvents
Freddy.iAc16272138401319879681200/05/09/40/2KKK/DKDDK/K/TKXKKDKKKKD
Josh.iAc857312142006235314081350/03/22/36/4DK/KKKDDKDK/KKX/D/KD/KK/KDD
Woott.iAc90581011302615971283300/00/012/40/2KDK/KKKK/KDDKDXD/T/K//TK
inacti yAnnickk16112321137215327112161970/00/19/88/1KDKKD/KKKKXSKDKK/DT/KKDKXSKKKK/D/KKKXKX
mAydayzz.iAc17589148304319818896250/00/011/47/1KDK/T/TDKDDTKKKKK/KKKDKTKK
sfinnn.iAc OI OI237106198701317341430800/02/013/35/4DKKKK/DXKKK/DDKKKKDK/KKKKKKXKT
Ac152521896226292612923719411870/010/356/2626/14
Tryout.AdaM2544416300013402610180/00/24/100/4DDDKDKDDDDDDDDDKDDKD
TryOut.Sinnsyk@newmouse26675190011105621561490/00/24/102/4KDKDDDKDDKDDDDTDD/DDDDDDK
TryOut.Zgred38555131001756221700/00/23/82/2DKDDDKKKDDDKDDD/DD
TryOut.4rturinh23434173102536147450/00/10/74/4KDDDKDKDDDDKDD/DDDD/S
tR0ut.boski464271510022043188100/01/14/72/5D/KDDKDDKDKKDKDD/DKDDD
TryOut.Tkr525091700011463258500/01/17/101/4KKDDDDDKKDDKXKDDKDKDDDK/DDD
ut.35301349781177194129231720/02/922/5211/23

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Player Chats
TryOut.Tkr [Warmup]: Can we start ?
inacti yAnnickk [Warmup]: rupski
Tryout.AdaM [Countdown]: HF
TryOut.Sinnsyk@newmouse [Countdown]: shoutout to artstar, chmielek and sosji
TryOut.Zgred [Countdown]: ENJOY
Josh.iAc [Countdown]: gl hf
TryOut.Sinnsyk@newmouse [14:38]: yanick 2k12
TryOut.Zgred [13:26]: lkurwa
[13:12]: The Allies have captured the forward bunker!
[13:07]: The Axis have reclaimed the forward bunker!
[13:06]: The Allies have captured the forward bunker!
[13:05]: The Axis have reclaimed the forward bunker!
[12:34]: The Allies have captured the forward bunker!
[12:08]: The side door has been destroyed!
[11:54]: The main gate has been destroyed!
[11:53]: Truck Barrier #1 has been constructed.
[11:41]: Axis Command Post constructed. Charge speed increased!
[8:56]: Allied team has destroyed the Axis Command Post!
[8:50]: Allied Command Post constructed. Charge speed increased!
[8:10]: The Wooden Barrier has been constructed.
[7:52]: Truck Barrier #1 has been destroyed.
[7:38]: The Allies have captured the keycard. The generator has been started!
[7:36]: Allied team has gained access to the truck!
[5:13]: Truck Barrier #1 has been constructed.
[4:48]: The Truck has been repaired!
[3:31]: Truck Barrier #1 has been destroyed.
[3:18]: Truck Barrier #2 has been constructed.
[1:58]: Truck Barrier #2 has been destroyed.
[1:24]: Allied team has escaped
[Intermission]: >>> Clock set to: 13:35
inacti yAnnickk [Intermission]: wp
Woott.iAc [Warmup]: shoutout to wrath!
TryOut.Tkr [Warmup]: Can we start ?
inacti yAnnickk [Warmup]: nah not wrath
[12:21]: The Allies have captured the forward bunker!
[11:59]: Axis Command Post constructed. Charge speed increased!
[11:54]: The side door has been destroyed!
[11:52]: Truck Barrier #1 has been constructed.
[11:42]: The main gate has been destroyed!
[8:42]: The Allies have captured the keycard. The generator has been started!
[8:40]: Allied team has gained access to the truck!
[8:35]: Allied team has destroyed the Axis Command Post!
[8:31]: Allied Command Post constructed. Charge speed increased!
[7:36]: Truck Barrier #1 has been destroyed.
[7:11]: The Truck has been repaired!
[6:35]: Truck Barrier #2 has been constructed.
[5:37]: Truck Barrier #2 has been destroyed.
[4:57]: Allied team has escaped
[Intermission]: >>> Objective reached at 8:37 (original: 13:35)
inacti yAnnickk [Warmup]: rupski ?
TryOut.Tkr [Warmup]: Can we start ?
[11:37]: Axis Command Post constructed. Charge speed increased!
[10:48]: Allies capture the Forward Bunker!
[10:32]: Allies have breached the Main Entrance and secured the Forward Bunker!
[10:03]: Allies have breached the Side Entrance!
[7:23]: Match is PAUSED! (Allies)
[7:23]: Josh.iAc disconnected
[7:23]: Axis team locked from spectators by TryOut.Zgred
[7:23]: Match resuming in 225 seconds!
TryOut.4rturinh [7:23]: -speclock
[7:23]: Josh.iAc connected
[7:23]: Match resuming in 210 seconds!
[7:23]: Match resuming in 195 seconds!
tR0ut.boski [7:23]: un
[7:23]: Match resuming in 180 seconds!
Josh.iAc [7:23]: nah im lagging lemme sort it
[7:23]: Match resuming in 165 seconds!
[7:23]: Match resuming in 150 seconds!
[7:23]: Match resuming in 135 seconds!
inacti yAnnickk [7:23]: uno minuto
[7:23]: Match resuming in 120 seconds!
[7:23]: Match resuming in 105 seconds!
TryOut.4rturinh [7:23]: np
[7:23]: Match resuming in 90 seconds!
[7:23]: Match resuming in 75 seconds!
[7:23]: Match resuming in 60 seconds!
TryOut.Tkr [7:23]: un maybe ?
[7:22]: Match resuming in 10 seconds!
[7:22]: Match resuming in 9 seconds!
[7:22]: Match resuming in 8 seconds!
TryOut.Tkr [7:23]: ty
TryOut.Sinnsyk@newmouse [7:23]: thx
[7:22]: Match resuming in 7 seconds!
[7:22]: Match resuming in 6 seconds!
[7:22]: Match resuming in 5 seconds!
[7:22]: Match resuming in 4 seconds!
[7:22]: Match resuming in 3 seconds!
[7:22]: Match resuming in 2 seconds!
[7:22]: Match resuming in 1 seconds!
[7:22]: FIGHT!
[6:02]: Allied team has destroyed the Axis Command Post!
[5:59]: Allied Command Post constructed. Charge speed increased!
[4:06]: Allies have secured the East Radar Parts!
[3:07]: Allies have secured the West Radar Parts!
[Intermission]: >>> Clock set to: 8:52
TryOut.Sinnsyk@newmouse [Intermission]: v56
inacti yAnnickk [Intermission]: wp
TryOut.Tkr [Warmup]: Can we start ?
[8:31]: Axis Command Post constructed. Charge speed increased!
[7:59]: Allies capture the Forward Bunker!
[7:50]: Allies have breached the Side Entrance!
[7:04]: Allies have breached the Main Entrance and secured the Forward Bunker!
[3:30]: Allied team has destroyed the Axis Command Post!
[2:56]: Allied Command Post constructed. Charge speed increased!
[2:00]: Axis have returned the objective!
[1:50]: Allies have secured the East Radar Parts!
[0:59]: Allies have secured the West Radar Parts!
[Intermission]: >>> Objective reached at 7:52 (original: 8:52)
inacti yAnnickk [Intermission]: wp
TryOut.Zgred [Intermission]: no kurwa
TryOut.Zgred [Intermission]: dziwki
TryOut.Zgred [Intermission]: xD
TryOut.Tkr [Intermission]: <3
inacti yAnnickk [Intermission]: mappool?
inacti yAnnickk [Warmup]: rupski ?
TryOut.Zgred [Warmup]: RUPSKI !?
TryOut.Tkr [Warmup]: plumski
TryOut.Zgred [Countdown]: enjoy
[13:16]: The Tank has been repaired!
[13:14]: Allied team has stolen the Tank!
[12:28]: Match is PAUSED! (Axis)
[12:28]: Match resuming in 225 seconds!
[12:28]: Match resuming in 210 seconds!
[12:28]: Match resuming in 10 seconds!
[12:28]: Match resuming in 9 seconds!
[12:28]: Match resuming in 8 seconds!
[12:28]: Match resuming in 7 seconds!
[12:28]: Match resuming in 6 seconds!
[12:28]: Match resuming in 5 seconds!
[12:28]: Match resuming in 4 seconds!
[12:28]: Match resuming in 3 seconds!
[12:28]: Match resuming in 2 seconds!
[12:28]: Match resuming in 1 seconds!
[12:28]: FIGHT!
[12:17]: The Tank has been damaged!
[12:07]: The Tank has been repaired!
[11:50]: Allied Command Post constructed. Charge speed increased!
[11:24]: Allied team has destroyed the Bank Doors!
[11:20]: The Tank has been damaged!
[9:17]: Axis team has destroyed the Allied Command Post!
[9:08]: Allied team is escaping with the Gold Crate!
[8:30]: Allied Command Post constructed. Charge speed increased!
[7:43]: Allied team escaped with the Gold Crate!
[Intermission]: >>> Clock set to: 7:16
tR0ut.boski [Intermission]: gg
inacti yAnnickk [Intermission]: wp
TryOut.Tkr [Warmup]: Can we start ?
TryOut.Zgred [Countdown]: rupski ?
TryOut.Zgred [Countdown]: ok
TryOut.Zgred [Countdown]: xd
TryOut.Zgred [Countdown]: nvm
Josh.iAc [Countdown]: as you request
inacti yAnnickk [Countdown]: rupski
Josh.iAc [Countdown]: lul
TryOut.Zgred [Countdown]: hf
mAydayzz.iAc [Countdown]: hf
TryOut.Tkr [Countdown]: fun
[4:43]: The Tank has been repaired!
[4:40]: Allied team has stolen the Tank!
[4:33]: The Tank has been damaged!
[4:28]: The Tank has been repaired!
[4:26]: Tank Barrier #1 has been constructed.
[4:05]: Axis Command Post constructed. Charge speed increased!
[3:42]: Tank Barrier #1 has been destroyed.
[3:38]: The Tank has been damaged!
[3:36]: The Tank has been repaired!
[3:20]: The Tank has been damaged!
[3:07]: The Tank has been repaired!
[3:03]: Truck Barrier #1 has been constructed.
[2:55]: The Tank has been damaged!
[2:52]: The Tank has been repaired!
[2:38]: Allied team has destroyed the Axis Command Post!
[2:34]: Allied team has destroyed the Bank Doors!
[2:31]: The Tank has been damaged!
[2:20]: Allied Command Post constructed. Charge speed increased!
[2:02]: Truck Barrier #1 has been destroyed.
tR0ut.boski [1:21]: gg
TryOut.Zgred [1:18]: g
TryOut.Sinnsyk@newmouse [0:24]: wp
TryOut.Zgred [0:21]: bg
[Intermission]: >>> Objective NOT reached in time (7:16)
[Intermission]: Woott.iAc disconnected
[Intermission]: TryOut.Zgred disconnected
Josh.iAc [Intermission]: ty for war
[Intermission]: tR0ut.boski disconnected
[Intermission]: TryOut.4rturinh0 disconnected
inacti yAnnickk [Intermission]: ggwp
[Intermission]: Freddy.iAc disconnected
[Intermission]: TryOut.Tkr disconnected
[Intermission]: sfinnn.iAc OI OI disconnected
[Intermission]: Tryout.AdaM disconnected
[Intermission]: mAydayzz.iAc disconnected
[Intermission]: inacti yAnnickk disconnected
[Intermission]: Josh.iAc disconnected

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